Read reviews, compare customer ratings, see screenshots, and learn more about Celebrate Recovery. I know what you are implying with sin sickness as it has to do with things I already addressed in my blog and is a strong lie taught within AA/CR. C. C.R. Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? From that point forward, I was actually prohibited from bringing or reading my Bible in the group. According to the Scriptures Alcoholism is defined as drunkeness, so if you profess to be an alcoholic, or once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, then you are stating to be a perpetual drunkard. Wow. Search: Dangers Of Celebrate Recovery. I did not fully know why at that time, but I just did as the Spirit told me to do. Happy are those who know they are spiritutally poor. Variety of ways to faith. (Luke 9:23) In such, our reward, or our treasures will be laid up greater in heaven. Many coming into AA are ready for a change in life spiritually; its a great harvest ground. The Saddleback Church pastor developed the popular Christ-centered 12-step program for hurts, habits, and hang-ups., Image: Courtesy of Saddleback Church / Edits by Christianity Today. 27). Mark 14:38 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. Readiness to receive free gift lies in practice of Twelve Steps. John touched more people with the healing power and grace of Jesus Christ than anyone else that I have ever known personally and one of those lives was mine, wrote Celebrate Recoverys national director and national training coach Mac and Mary Owen. To discern good fruit you have to know if the doctrine, character, or practice, aligns with the word of God, and this should be your measuring line. Celebrate Recovery IS: A safe place to share; A place of refuge; A place of belonging; A place to care for others and be cared for; A place where respect is given to each member; A place where confidentiality is highly regarded; A place to learn; A place to demonstrate genuine love; A place to grow and become strong again; A place for progress How can I start a Celebrate Recovery Starting a Celebrate Recovery is an exciting step for your church! What partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? This was actually the point of my blog post. The program seems to tip-toe around sin and evil instead of calling it out as such. 3525 /nph (be sober, unintoxicated) refers to having presence of mind (clear judgment), enabling someone to be temperate (self-controlled). During the worship time, I sat in the back reading my Word. We cannot trust our experiences and how we feel as a sole measure of something to be good. Roadblocks of indifference and prejudice. Many of these events are documented in the books of the history of AA, as well as Wilsons official A.A. biography. You said, Why do we need 12 steps when the only step our Saviour has told us to do is repent and turn away from sin/evil. Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? They didnt attend any program, they just hit their rock bottom which is only decided by the individual suffering addiction. To Christ I conceded the certainty of a great man, not too closely followed by those who claimed Him. About a year later, I was led to sponsor a woman, who was coming out of drug addiction. It was still a deep tissue massage, which helped me to relax, and relive my sore muscles, however, I was engaging in a practice that is contrary to biblical practices. Subscribe to CT
This is a good read and that is what God has laid in my heart over the years of my addiction and recovery. When we have the fear of the Lord, we fear less of how others might react, and more on doing what is right before Him. Rom 6:23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord(BSB), Mark 16:15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature(KJV), 1 Cor 6:20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are Gods(KJV). Both founders, Bill Wilson, and Bob Smith were heavily involved in practicing necromancy, performing seances, using the Ouija board, seeking spirits, and allowing a practice in the occult called automatic writing. So, with my final mission in view, with bible in hand, I walked into Celebrate Recovery for the last time. And it really goes back to occultism, to Eastern mysticism, and so on.In a 12-Steps program, would it be AA, or some derivation of it within the church, you have not psychotherapists running these programs, but you have basically those who are in recovery.Now, as you said, I went through Celebrate Recovery, which is Rick Warren's program that . What does the Bible say about addiction. Satan manifests as an angel of light, and his workers as ministers of righteousness(2 Cor 11:14). I also, have experienced Gods grace and mercy through the Holy Spirit through some churches I have encountered that was amazing. As the story goes, Warren replied, Great, Johngo do it! and the program soon launched at Saddleback. Celebrate Recoverys 12-steps, are AAs 12-steps, but with a biblical comparison to each one. I also would not introduce myself as a recovering alcoholic, but rather a recovered alcoholic, as to speak the former would be a lie against the work of the Holy Spirit in my life (1 Cor 6:9-11). 2) We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Staff was great, attentive to our needs and" more. Before I go further, I want to share something on this topic. 314-267-4456. By working and applying these Biblical principles, we begin to grow spiritually. So, now what about the 12 steps? I am praying for God to show me what he wants me to do. Go and see for yourself. Thank you for sharing. I choose to stand on the word regardless who believes or not. A.A. does not demand belief; Twelve Steps are only suggestions. The messiness of addiction is too much for many churches to handle. As you can probably imaginethings did not go well for me after that. This very much includes programs like AA/CR which do not have a grounding in the Bible at all. Do not perceive yourself as lovable and worthwhile. This program is not something that you complete and then all of sudden, Hey, Im better. All things including our evil ways will work to the glory of God somehow, and that is something I do and must believe in my journey. However, I have a slightly different view. I was at that time still in Active Duty military, and completing rehab was essential for me to continue to have a career at that time. 314-607-8165. 25 years ago, Saddleback Church launched Celebrate Recovery with 43 people. And I believe that somewhere in their journey and even the ones affected from their addiction that they hit a rock bottom. Those who profess to be a believer in Jesus/Yeshua should repent of any and all involvement, and get rid of any material associated, to include: books, chips, manuals, etc. Sam, thank you for commenting. Much love to you Kellie and your endeavors . Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Why must every A.A. hit bottom? In other ways I know both programs have brought people into their recovery process and even drawn them to Jesus. There is simply no way to put into words how I love John and will miss this kind, creative, brilliant and faithful man., Evangelical leader Johnnie Moore, whose family previously belonged to Saddleback Church when living in California, remembered Bakers commitment to saving the lives of the people whom God loves., He became a doctor of hope for those whose lives were caught in vicious cycles of guilt, shame, and failure. This is what I did, as led by the Holy Spirit. I brought up that step three goes against the first two of the 10 commandments, and that there shall be no other gods before Him. Pastor John was never content just to save souls. What an amazing God. I lived at AA and Alanon meetings for years and was helped tremendously and then almost completely stopped. Start your new life now! I see it as a ripe mission field to share my testimony and experience; to share the Word of God and what Jesus Christ has done for me. We believe that this program targets the one thing that we all have in commonwe're all messed up in one way or another. I was rejected by all those whom I shared the truth within CR that day, and I understood that would happen, because of what the Father had sent me to do. (Acts 17:30) At such time we can no longer claim ignorance and will be held accountable to such. I decided to leave after that, and not attend the meeting, and I didnt come back for a couple weeks. Philippians 2:13. Baker was raised in Collinsville, Illinois. Most people cannot stay sober or clean or free from any perversion for more than six months on average, only to "go back out". However, the cost of sharing the truth with others, is rejection. | We have Graphic Designers to assist you | service@banners.com 1.866.419.SIGN. So, I kid you not, this woman looks at me, dead in the eye and says no, I think that Kellie should go first, I think she has something important to say. He delivered me completely of alcohol, and a great many of other things. Likewise, the acceptance of false doctrine will also impair correct judgment and can lead to spiritual decay/death. It reminds me of a favorite passage of mine: Hebrews 11:25Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; 26Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. When I was in rehab, a young girl left AMA and a few people and counselors had no hope for her because she wanted to immerse herself in God and leave what didnt work for her. The atmosphere had changed, and I could sense the Spirit strong with me, and guided my every step. There is a saying I have heard often, which goes something like this, While a lapse can be a single event such as a poor decision of going . Do not ask others to meet your needs or desires. I then took out my bible and began to read until both I and my time was finished. Now in over 35,000 churches. There were many practices/beliefs that I was led to not partake in. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. Baker, Celebrate Recovery Leader's Guide, 12). Gal 5:19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; 20idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, 21and envy; drunkenness, carousing, and the like. It's your choice. Show me the Buddha worshiper or the person whos higher power is a rock, and I can pray that God will use me and give me the wisdom through His Spirit to share Gods Word and the Good News with that person. Both were heavily involved in the occult, and many of the practices that were endorsed in Oxford Group, continued on with the establishment of AA. The topical groups vary by site, and some. How you define any program that has a veneer of righteousness connected to it, should be tested to the Word of God. We all have issues that may be interfering with our fellowship . 1 Peter 3:17For it is better, if it is Gods will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. To find out if these will be offered at your group, please call the contact number. (Pgs 8-9). The last thing I want to do is delve deeper into my issues/motivations/whatever. (Pgs 5-6), Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.Joy of living is the theme of the Twelfth Step. Why do we need 12 steps when the only step our Saviour has told us to do is repent and turn away from sin/evil. There did not come a time when there was an exception for drunkenness. It means that the individual is returning to old ineffective coping strategies for dealing with life. Needless to say, CR has had a major influence on the church. Step 12, not only speaks of New Age enlightenment, but blasphemes the true free gift, that of salvation, as well as the responsibility for a believer to share and take the gospel message to all, not the AA message. Too many pastors use an academic model in which they simply lecture their congregations. This is what I encourage people to do with the writing of this blog, and not leading people blindly into a program that has led many to accept a false gospel. In some ways I understand and even believe what you say. For myself, I had adopted those parts which seemed convenient and not too difficult; the rest I disregarded. (Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book, pg.11). Love that has no price tag. What is spiritual awakening? Celebrate Recovery is a biblical and balanced program that helps us overcome our hurts, hang-ups, and habits. Dr. Clint Archer is a pastor of many years whose international ministry has taken him to 22 different countries so far. If you chose to eat ten candy bars every day and to never brush your teeth, they would start rotting out. I couldnt wrap my mind around the Beatitudes being misrepresented in the steps of CR. Life's problems can be stumbling blocks or stepping stones. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. So before I continue on with my story, I would like to go through some areas of AA. I was informed that the lead woman of the group would not be there(the same one who had pulled me aside), and that I would be speaking first when the group began. Thanks for your post. I read this and the Spirit of God prompted to reply. How should a Christian view alcoholics? Praise God for that revelation to you. Giving that asks no reward. I told her, I know, but it has nothing to do with with you telling me, but rather it was already the Fathers will for me not to come back after this. Being a light, means exposing the darkness, not partaking in it, otherwise that light itself would become dark: Luke 11:33No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light. The most common reason why people relapse after a period of sobriety is that they become stuck in recovery. 20:2). a sermon that goes along with our Celebrate recovery ministry, covering the different steps. These were also women who professed His Name, one even ironically being from Saddleback. Celebrate Recovery operates as an extension of Fellowship Bible Church, a unique congregation focused on healing. Hi Kellie, 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. My KJV Bible is all I need in this life plus my brothers and sisters in Christ. St Boniface Church-Franciscans. And He came to set the captives free! I also believe in the deliverence of it. Jesus said He came to bring a sword, not peace (Mat 10:34), this means that truth will divide, and the outcome may not be peaceful because of offense. 1 Peter 1:13Therefore prepare your minds for action. Luke 12:47And that servant, which knew his lords will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. Whatever works to get them there or even the ones affected. I cannot guarantee that it wont be awkward, and you might even lose those you thought were your friends. A sister meeting called The Landing is available for students in grades 7 and up. Plight of the disillusioned. I am only going to provide, and go over a few of the steps, as I think it would be to exhaustive to go over every single one. 3. AA was birthed out of what was known as the Oxford Group in the 1930s. Dishonesty in recovery is dangerous because: It is a common relapse trigger. Importance of an open mind. There is a good, acceptable and perfect will of God. So with that said, we all have to start somewhere and often its on the wrong path before we truly find our Lord. Both alcohol and drugs impair judgment and control of the body. "This is a great place to hold an event. Meeting Time: Tuesday 7:00 PM. However, as she began the meeting, she had decided for the other group leader to go first who was sitting to my left. Once those who were fully crucified with Christ, and their passions and desires of the flesh, they too were set free from drunkenness. CR is for anyone with a hurt, habit or a hang up. When he hit his bottom, he began attending daily AA meetings, working through the steps, and finding hope in a God who loved him unconditionally. I admit that I am powerless to control my tendency to do the wrong thing, and my life is unmanageable. They are drunk, but not with wine; They stagger, but not with intoxicating drink. You often find this within eastern religions and practices such as yoga and achieving a higher self or Christ-consciousness. 1 Peter 1:13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. With the knowledge above, of these steps, how can we then take Scripture to pile over it? When I was in CR (Celebrate Recovery) which I talk on within most of my post and testimony, is that God used me to bring His Light and truth to the darkness that both AA/CR have as a foundation. You bring up several great points, ones that I became very familiar with while attending the program. Have been having more and more doubts about it as time has gone on. Having said that, this review (completed largely with the help of Matthew Mumma) will demonstrate that CR contains two major problems: (1) Though claiming to be biblically based, its teachings are often constructed from a misuse of Scripture and an erroneous hermeneutic. Quoting from my blog: Many seem to believe that as long as something appears good, and that someone is helped that it must be of God, when this is simply not true; while He can draw His own creation to Him, in whatever circumstance they are in, this does not mean that it is His perfect will for them to continue on in what they are doing or involved in. Even if you do not believe God or His Word, consider this from the view of simple logic: how can a behavioral choice be a disease? I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. The Dangers of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) and Celebrate Recovery. My faith was empowered, as I knew it was my time to speak His Words. The magnificent reality. Action its keyword. Until a chance encounter with my moms old Bible opened my eyes. However, what is the true motive of this program, what is its foundation, and is it suitable for those who profess to be walking with Messiah? So much in Christianity today is not based on Christ's teachings as much as it's based upon the ideas and theories of mankind. The program seems to tip-toe around sin and evil instead of calling it out as such. Michelle, thank you for your thoughts and I am glad that you took time to read this. With maturity comes discernment, and with discernment comes an understanding that just because something may have been beneficial, or helpful, does not mean that it is sanctioned by God. Gender-specific Groups meet for issues with anger, co-dependency, chemical addiction food addictions, sexual integrity, survivors of abuse, grief, and life issues. Sign up for our newsletter: Many of C.R.'s teachings are constructed from eisegesis rather than exegesis - misusing Scripture with an erroneous hermeneutic. We are all broken and in need of a Saviour; my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,. Also, during this time, I was able to minister to quite a few women, and also became a sponsor.. Promote your Celebrate Recovery Chapter with a Full Color Vinyl Banner! It also anti-christ as it denies Yeshua/Jesus as the Only Way(1 Joh 2:22-23, Joh 14:6). At Southside Baptist Church, the purpose of our Celebrate Recovery program is to both fellowship and celebrate God's healing power in our lives through 12 Steps and 8 Recovery Principles. Continued on with my story above, I started to attend Celebrate Recovery(CR), as prompted by the Spirit, even with the knowledge that it was a program that was directly tied to Rick Warren and Saddleback church: John Baker was an alcoholic and staff member of Saddleback Church who began healing through Alcoholics Anonymous.
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