composite lilith in 12th house

I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. But I do have one question? Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. Composite, Davison Chart . thank you for your insight, thank you !!! I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? so we find the True in each other. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. What do You think about Davison Chart? With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. Beautiful article!! And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . But, our composite chart is weird. Im from a country in southamerica. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. Its more complex than just the composite positions. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. Hi Evelyne. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Thank you for this series of articles! I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. At all. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. Im so confused by this mix! I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. They rip the rug from under you every other day. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. What is it that makes it work? Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. I feel sad about that. Lots of greetings from Serbia. And what does it mean our 12th. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? Thank you very much. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. Just a knowing if you will. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. I am NOT usually like this. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). 08.05.20. Thanks for taking the time to respond. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. So beautifully written Dawn. what can we do here? There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. AT ALL. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. Hello, Skye. Just endings in general. Gilly. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. You have nailed my experience. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! IP . I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? That was over three years ago. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. hello, nice article Dawn. Hi!! In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. 12th house issues are not always supportive. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. And I learned a lot too. mercury and mercury conj. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. Thank You so much for Your answer! He literally proposed to me the night we met. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. WhiteLotus. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. I need help! Could I ask Your opinion? They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. They feel invisible or alone. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Well it is a living hell right now! I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. This places can even indicate psychic ability. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. The Anti-Vertex, on the other hand, is located in the opposite house of the Vertex (the 11 th , 12 th , 1 st , 2 nd , or 3 rd houses), which relate to personal concerns . Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. It contains everything and nothing . I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. My english is not very good. hi dawn:) His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. Everywords pounding in me. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. But thank you for helping me face reality. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. And what does it mean our 12th. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. Lilith in 8 th house composite. Anything different there? I think this is SO true . (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) Thank you for your reply Dawn . Am i trapping my self? 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, the subconscious, spirituality, karma, and as the last house, it governs endings. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. Thank you for your insight. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. This is brilliant and compassionate. What do you think? Thanks so much Dawn. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. (Because the moon's orbit is elliptical, it has two center . A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. The 12th House is also known as the House of mystery while Venus symbolizes intuition and artful .

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